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if ukraine is not in nato, what is nato's role in the current crisis? for more on that, we turn to a retired u.s. navy admiral and former nato supreme allied commander, james -- admiral, it is good to see you. thank you for being with us. for those in our audience who don't have their nato pact with them, their handbook, there is something that we often refer to called article five in nato which is the thing that says that any nato country that is attacked, all the other nato countries will come to their defense. how is that different when it applies to ukraine, which wants to be in nato but is not a member of nato? >> well, there are a lot of countries that would love to be a nato because so many countries have russian tanks roll into them. going back to the cold war, russian tanks rolled into congress. they rolled into the czech republic. more recently, they rolled into georgia. they world into ukraine in 2014. if i were and eastern europe, i would certainly like that article five guarantee. one thing i would recommend leaders -- readers google -- you
if ukraine is not in nato, what is nato's role in the current crisis? for more on that, we turn to a retired u.s. navy admiral and former nato supreme allied commander, james -- admiral, it is good to see you. thank you for being with us. for those in our audience who don't have their nato pact with them, their handbook, there is something that we often refer to called article five in nato which is the thing that says that any nato country that is attacked, all the other nato countries will...
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should the nato force be activated by nato. this putting our forces on a shorter string enables us to get there in a shorter period of time. and, again, i think that provides reassurance to nato that we're ready to live up to our commitments. in terms of what putin thinks and the way he feels about things, again, it's hard to predict. we take those kinds of things into consideration but, again, if you look at the forces that he has moved into the region and that he continues to move into the region, you know, there was no provocation that caused him to move those forces. so, you know, we'll continue to listen to what he says and watch what he does. chairman. >> i would echo all of that. with respect to the ptdo forces, for 20 years iraq, afghanistan, et cetera, we've announced when forces are rotating, et cetera. we attempt to be transparent with you and with congress and the american people on the use and deployment of military forces. we alerted based on the direction from the president and the secretary of defense, we increa
should the nato force be activated by nato. this putting our forces on a shorter string enables us to get there in a shorter period of time. and, again, i think that provides reassurance to nato that we're ready to live up to our commitments. in terms of what putin thinks and the way he feels about things, again, it's hard to predict. we take those kinds of things into consideration but, again, if you look at the forces that he has moved into the region and that he continues to move into the...
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nato? >> well there are a lot of countries that will have to be nato, because so many countries have -- rolled into them. going back to the cold war, russian tanks rolled into hungry, it rolled into the czech republic. more recently, it rolled into georgia. rolled into ukraine, in 2014. if i were in eastern europe, i'd certainly like that article five guarantee. one thing i would command readers google, nato treaty. you can read it in about ten minutes. it's only 14 articles, maybe our 30 sentences long. you correctly point out article five in attack on one, is in tack on all. only time that article five is energized me is during 9/11. when nato jets flew over our cities, after the attack on 9/11. so, all of these nations would like to be part of nato, they are not. where do we end up with ukraine, ali, there are a nato partner. they have deployed with, us ukrainian troops deployed -- they have been with us at sea, they've been a very close partner, but not quite a member of the alliance, a
nato? >> well there are a lot of countries that will have to be nato, because so many countries have -- rolled into them. going back to the cold war, russian tanks rolled into hungry, it rolled into the czech republic. more recently, it rolled into georgia. rolled into ukraine, in 2014. if i were in eastern europe, i'd certainly like that article five guarantee. one thing i would command readers google, nato treaty. you can read it in about ten minutes. it's only 14 articles, maybe our 30...
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let's take a look at nato. this is what the nato alliance looked like in 1978. the nato countries are in green and russia is in red. there is this buff every countries between russia and the nato alliance. at the time those countries in the middle and all soviet states formed the warsaw pact. the soviet influence counterweight to nato. they were not so much allies of the soviet union as they were captive allies and russia for trade and for protection. over time those countries were given the chance to turn toward the west by becoming democracies and joining the nato alliance. most of them jumped at the opportunity and this is the result. this is what the nato map looks like today. you can see the alliance has expanded eastward quite a bit with ukraine now one of the few countries between russia and the nato ally. if you'll talk about nato which you have to talk about if you're talking about the ukraine situation there is literally no one better to help understand the nato effect on russia than this man the retired admiral james stavrides and author of "2034." ad
let's take a look at nato. this is what the nato alliance looked like in 1978. the nato countries are in green and russia is in red. there is this buff every countries between russia and the nato alliance. at the time those countries in the middle and all soviet states formed the warsaw pact. the soviet influence counterweight to nato. they were not so much allies of the soviet union as they were captive allies and russia for trade and for protection. over time those countries were given the...
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do you think those 8,500 troops will be called up and sent into the nato, the nato rapid response force? >> i hope not. i think it is important for the following reason. in the end, what is this about? this isn't about putin defending russia's borders. it is about expanding the borders. what does he really want? he wants nato to end and the united states out of europe. so i think you have to threaten him with the thing he hates most. the notion that there might be a much greater nato presence and usa presence within eastern and central bloc european countries. he's never going to be appeased on eastern europe, so i think you have to threaten him with a far worse condition. >> and threaten him with these troop deployments, threaten him with all signs that we are ready to respond, that nato is ready to respond. what about the sanctions? what is he afraid of? >> i think that the president has done all you can to unify europe on the sanctions. i think the sanctions, what we've learned from the past. they can't be distributed in slowly. they can't just impact a few of putin's closest friends
do you think those 8,500 troops will be called up and sent into the nato, the nato rapid response force? >> i hope not. i think it is important for the following reason. in the end, what is this about? this isn't about putin defending russia's borders. it is about expanding the borders. what does he really want? he wants nato to end and the united states out of europe. so i think you have to threaten him with the thing he hates most. the notion that there might be a much greater nato...
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troops like with nato to our nato allies. we know they are now very nervous about whether russia will stop at ukraine, whether they'll come into the baltic countries, or whether they'll come in beyond that. i think nato needs to be concerned, and we have to make that clear to mr. putin, we will not compromise our treaty responsibilities, nor will we allow mr. putin to determine how nato and sovereign nations will organ that i see their mutual defense. >> would you ever be comfortable if the deal that was cut with putin said, look, ukraine won't join nato for at least ten years, and nato is not expanding for at least ten years. is that too much to give putin? >> well, i don't want to compromise the independent decisionmaking of nato and sovereign countries. ukraine has to make its decision first, what it wants to do. it should be free to determine who it wants to have an alliance with, and what relations she want with other countries. we shouldn't allow mr. putin to determine ukraine's future. to me that's the real crux of thi
troops like with nato to our nato allies. we know they are now very nervous about whether russia will stop at ukraine, whether they'll come into the baltic countries, or whether they'll come in beyond that. i think nato needs to be concerned, and we have to make that clear to mr. putin, we will not compromise our treaty responsibilities, nor will we allow mr. putin to determine how nato and sovereign nations will organ that i see their mutual defense. >> would you ever be comfortable if...
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to say that nato will include them and nato won't say that. ukraine had a meeting with nato just recently. the u.s. is in constant contact with the ukranian government, so they're trying to keep them in the loop as much as they can. >> there is also the fact that vladimir putin has, in essence, declared a victory in kazaghstan. what kind of message do you think that sends? >> putin could say, look, our neighbors want to be an influence. we're the ones that can prop up these governments to make sure they don't fall. so russia isn't going to leave kazighstan. i believe the ukranians have every right to be very concerned about what russia's next move will be. >> angela stent, thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate your expertise, and remind you that next hour we will go one on one with state spokesperson ned price coming up here later in the show. >>> some january 6 news, because right now the donald trump legal team is in court. they're asking the judge to drop two key lawsuits, two from democratic lawmakers and two from capitol hi
to say that nato will include them and nato won't say that. ukraine had a meeting with nato just recently. the u.s. is in constant contact with the ukranian government, so they're trying to keep them in the loop as much as they can. >> there is also the fact that vladimir putin has, in essence, declared a victory in kazaghstan. what kind of message do you think that sends? >> putin could say, look, our neighbors want to be an influence. we're the ones that can prop up these...
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and, of course, it's not against nato. the enlargement of nato the last decades have helped to spread democracy, freedom across europe in a way we have not seen before in history. and what we still believe in is the right for every nation to decide itself. >> ukraine is advocating the u.s. and eu impose sanctions on russia before russia invades just because of the troop deployment there, the amassing of troops. given moscow has not withdrawn despite the warnings, why wait and not impose sanctions to deter an invasion? >> well, the message from the nato allies today has been that if russia used military force, invades ukraine, again, as they did in 2014, then there will be severe economic political financial sanctions. and the reason to convey that message is to make sure that russia, moscow understands there will be consequences if they violate the territorial integrity of ukraine. nato allies also providing support to ukraine that will also increase the costs for russia if they decide to use force against ukraine. with th
and, of course, it's not against nato. the enlargement of nato the last decades have helped to spread democracy, freedom across europe in a way we have not seen before in history. and what we still believe in is the right for every nation to decide itself. >> ukraine is advocating the u.s. and eu impose sanctions on russia before russia invades just because of the troop deployment there, the amassing of troops. given moscow has not withdrawn despite the warnings, why wait and not impose...
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here's what nato looks like today. most of the countries in the middle, the warsaw countries are western-facing democratic nato allies. ukraine, as you can see, is not a nato member, but the fear is if russia invades ukraine there could be spill over into neighboring nato countries. last night on the edition of "the last word" i spoke to admiral james stavridis about what vladimir putin wants, rebuilding the old ussr and the union of soviet republics and he's going around former republic to former republic to include azerbaijan, armenia in this case ukraine, kazakhstan, all the stans and trying to put them back into russian sphere of influence. i don't think he's going to be successful with that overall nor should we let him particularly in the case of ukraine. >> joining me now is ian bremer, president and founder of the eurasia group with global economic and geopolitical risks. ian, a couple of things are happening here. joe biden and the americans are prepared for some kind of imminent invasion of ukraine by russia.
here's what nato looks like today. most of the countries in the middle, the warsaw countries are western-facing democratic nato allies. ukraine, as you can see, is not a nato member, but the fear is if russia invades ukraine there could be spill over into neighboring nato countries. last night on the edition of "the last word" i spoke to admiral james stavridis about what vladimir putin wants, rebuilding the old ussr and the union of soviet republics and he's going around former...
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remember, ukraine is not a part of nato, that are in nato, that the u.s. and nato, the alliance itself has its back. but that's also really -- in the past, the united states has sort of tiptoed, the biden administration, and administrations before president biden have tiptoed around the whole question of putting too many u.s. troops or nato troops on -- close to russia and right on the russian -- closer to the russian border, for fear of provoking russia. but now you're seeing a sea change. i think the administration has sort of given up on the idea that their moves are going to influence vladimir putin, and they're pivoting now to a more muscular posture. while at the same time, they're still saying that you're not going to see american troops inside ukraine itself. >> yeah -- >> at least -- >> that were already there. >> helane, you're reporting showing that the president is considering sending u.s. troops, but not a part of a nato, larger group of troops that could be sent though those countries. >> well, nato is also -- nato countries are also looking
remember, ukraine is not a part of nato, that are in nato, that the u.s. and nato, the alliance itself has its back. but that's also really -- in the past, the united states has sort of tiptoed, the biden administration, and administrations before president biden have tiptoed around the whole question of putting too many u.s. troops or nato troops on -- close to russia and right on the russian -- closer to the russian border, for fear of provoking russia. but now you're seeing a sea change. i...
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it's not just nato. this one is going to be russia versus the democracies. >> there are still some questions about france about this. >>> one police officer is dead, another is critically injured. what new york city's new mayor is now saying about how he is going to address the crime wave here. >>> cooperating witness. january 6th committee chair bennie thompson said they have spoken to former trump ag bill barr. doesn't look like they subpoenaed him. a brand-new mom forced to go back to work while her baby girl was still in the nicu. >>> pov, you have to return to work 12 days after having a premature baby at 27 weeks. t 27s it's three great things together. wait! who else is known for nailing threes? hmm. can't think of anyone! subway keeps refreshing and re... i want my daughter riley to know about her ancestors and how important it is to know who you are and to know where you came from. we're discovering together... it's been an amazing gift. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪upbeat music♪ transitions™
it's not just nato. this one is going to be russia versus the democracies. >> there are still some questions about france about this. >>> one police officer is dead, another is critically injured. what new york city's new mayor is now saying about how he is going to address the crime wave here. >>> cooperating witness. january 6th committee chair bennie thompson said they have spoken to former trump ag bill barr. doesn't look like they subpoenaed him. a brand-new mom...
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what it is losing is it is drawing nato closer to its borders and it is consolidating nato, the general says cyber attack could trigger article 5 which is the self-defense -- article 5 could kick in and allies could response with their own nato attack. while nato never forces any country to join that if sweden and finland both are not far from russia, finland in particular wanted to join nato, it would be a quick process. >> ambassador mcfaul, tell us what sense you have where things stand right now? >> i think we are in a wait and see mode. the russians are studying the proposals that the biden administration sent and nato sent, and a phone call president biden had with president macron, studying, that's the word they used. that's the first inclining of words from vladimir putin that was a read out of the call was impersonally, he has not spoken about this crisis or ukraine for about a month and everything depends on him. like wise, foreign minister lavrov says if i am paraphrasing it right is there is a grain in the proposal. both in the read-out of the putin's call and lavrov today s
what it is losing is it is drawing nato closer to its borders and it is consolidating nato, the general says cyber attack could trigger article 5 which is the self-defense -- article 5 could kick in and allies could response with their own nato attack. while nato never forces any country to join that if sweden and finland both are not far from russia, finland in particular wanted to join nato, it would be a quick process. >> ambassador mcfaul, tell us what sense you have where things...
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this is what nato is doing. it's now up to the nato countries to say, estonia, how many do you need? latvia? poland, what do you want? that will determine how many of the 8500 are actually sent but none of these troops are going to ukraine. to your point about the direct question about the nato allies, germany has been sitting on a request from estonia to send artillery that has german equipment, german parts in this are germany dismissed a javelin last week, around the uk to not fly over germany. so, we haven't exactly figured out or been today, germany is trying -- it's not angela merkel, this is a coalition government with a prime minister from the green party in this coalition government. they're very reluctant to do anything to provoke russia. whereas, angela merkel, despite the dependence on natural gas, they would do that. there's a lot of divisions and france, macron saying the european union, not the united states should be negotiating with russia, and france should be leading the european union. france
this is what nato is doing. it's now up to the nato countries to say, estonia, how many do you need? latvia? poland, what do you want? that will determine how many of the 8500 are actually sent but none of these troops are going to ukraine. to your point about the direct question about the nato allies, germany has been sitting on a request from estonia to send artillery that has german equipment, german parts in this are germany dismissed a javelin last week, around the uk to not fly over...
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nato is not going to happen. and so, putin is really facing the decision between whether he wants to go to war or whether he wants to try and negotiate. some kind of revisions that relate to russian security. that's a good decision. but there's no question that when we see what's happening in on the ground and the build ups taking place in belarus, as well as other areas along the border, it is wise to take the position that putin may very well invade. and that we have to be prepared for that. that should be true, not just for the united states and nato, but for the ukraine as well. >> if you were sitting in one or two of the chairs you used to occupy, secretary of defense, white house chief of staff and you saw this kind of escalation, would you tell the president he's got no alternative? how does he back down when he's amassed this kind of a force on three sides of ukraine? >> well, this is a moment when the united states and our allies have to make clear to putin that he's going to pay a price. look, putin, as
nato is not going to happen. and so, putin is really facing the decision between whether he wants to go to war or whether he wants to try and negotiate. some kind of revisions that relate to russian security. that's a good decision. but there's no question that when we see what's happening in on the ground and the build ups taking place in belarus, as well as other areas along the border, it is wise to take the position that putin may very well invade. and that we have to be prepared for that....
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and nato perspective. russia's demanding that ukraine never become a nato member, and wendy sherman who is leading the u.s. talks just gave a briefing a few minutes ago. i was on it. you were on it. she said that that is unacceptable. that nato will not allow any country to slam shut its open door policy. meaning nato decides who gets to join the nato club, not russia, not anyone outside of the group. they are also concerned, ukrainian officials, u.s. officials, are also concerned because russia is also demanding that nato dismantle its military infrastructure, established in eastern europe after 1997. that is a lot. this alliance has expanded a great deal since 19 97 to include baltic states and hungary, the czech republic. you're seeing almost a pre-collapse of the soviet union position coming out of russia right now, asking nato to effectively dismantle itself and promise never to expand further toward russia. >> you know, it's really interesting, richard, that there was so much skepticism from secretar
and nato perspective. russia's demanding that ukraine never become a nato member, and wendy sherman who is leading the u.s. talks just gave a briefing a few minutes ago. i was on it. you were on it. she said that that is unacceptable. that nato will not allow any country to slam shut its open door policy. meaning nato decides who gets to join the nato club, not russia, not anyone outside of the group. they are also concerned, ukrainian officials, u.s. officials, are also concerned because...
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certainly nato has taken a confidence building step by offering the nato-russia council. we offered an extraordinary session of the strategic stability dialogue. osc has put the permanent council meeting agenda to this very issue, so we have put forward an ability to dialogue and to negotiate to solve problems. what so far russia has put forth, they have come to these meetings. that's useful. but they also put things on the table they know we cannot agree to. we will not have a country to have a veto about who joins nato. there is a nato process. it is for the nato members to decide. there are standards setout. it's a very transparent process. no one gets a veto right over those decisions. it is a decision for nato allies. so i hope, again, that russia makes the smart choice. >> what signal are they sending by having live fire exercises within 24 hours of your sitting down with them for 8 hours first in geneva, and then they're doing live fire exercises right on the ukraine border? >> andrea, it's very hard for me to know what is in the mind of president putin. i will say
certainly nato has taken a confidence building step by offering the nato-russia council. we offered an extraordinary session of the strategic stability dialogue. osc has put the permanent council meeting agenda to this very issue, so we have put forward an ability to dialogue and to negotiate to solve problems. what so far russia has put forth, they have come to these meetings. that's useful. but they also put things on the table they know we cannot agree to. we will not have a country to have...
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russia is demanding that ukraine never be admitted to nato, that is something that nato says only nato can decide, but russia is also demanding that nato disengage from the countries that it has expanded into and remove nato military installations from eastern european countries. that nato specifically pulled back all military hardware that was placed here after 1997. now, after 1997, we're talking about military installations in poland, hungary, all the baltic states. is a massive demand, unrealistic demand. it is almost like russia asking that nato dismantle itself from eastern europe. and that, what russia must know as an unrealistic demand makes the united states nervous and makes ukrainians nervous, particularly in that border region, that this is not real diplomacy but some sort of show diplomacy to give putin the cover to say that he tried to have a negotiated settlement but was unable to reach one. >> our chief foreign correspondent richard engel for us on the ground own on the move as always. richard, thank you. richard mentioned real and show diplomacy. let's talk about it. w
russia is demanding that ukraine never be admitted to nato, that is something that nato says only nato can decide, but russia is also demanding that nato disengage from the countries that it has expanded into and remove nato military installations from eastern european countries. that nato specifically pulled back all military hardware that was placed here after 1997. now, after 1997, we're talking about military installations in poland, hungary, all the baltic states. is a massive demand,...
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you have nato involved. you have china chiming in its opinions on, you know, i guess being upset that the united states is supporting different countries that have been overtly opposed to this. you know, lithuania, for one. so when you look at all of this, what can the president actually do here? >> reporter: josh laid it out pretty well in his chat with you earlier. they have been very up-front about what they're going to do and i think laying out clearly what kind of economic sanctions russia would face if it decides to invade ukraine is making clear what it can do. and they have those tools available. and those tools are not just u.s. tools. they include europe. one of the things that they've talked about with europe and specifically with germany is suspending the north stream 2 pipeline, which would be a big blow to germany and something that is very controversial in this country, as well. that is one thing on the list of things that they are considering doing, if russia were to make that move. so, again
you have nato involved. you have china chiming in its opinions on, you know, i guess being upset that the united states is supporting different countries that have been overtly opposed to this. you know, lithuania, for one. so when you look at all of this, what can the president actually do here? >> reporter: josh laid it out pretty well in his chat with you earlier. they have been very up-front about what they're going to do and i think laying out clearly what kind of economic sanctions...
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i want to put up nato while there was soviet union versus nato now. his complaint is you've made them nato countries so i've got american backed countries on my border now entirely. why then, after all that, is ukraine the one that he won't let go of? >> look, i'm not sure that you're right saying that we took these countries. they rushed to nato because they had an experience, they have been occupied by soviet troops for more than four decades. it's a fear of russian invasion, and it is a real fear, the republic of georgia could confirm and to push baltic states into nato. that is why ukraine and georgia would like to move to nato. but all of the hoopla about nato is too close to russian borders. show the map. astonia is much closer to st. petersburg than ukraine. it is not flying time of american missiles to russia, it is about flying time of ideas of the free world. putin knows that free independent sovereign democratic prosperous ukraine is the biggest threat to his dictatorship in russia because it will have the same domino effect as polynesian d
i want to put up nato while there was soviet union versus nato now. his complaint is you've made them nato countries so i've got american backed countries on my border now entirely. why then, after all that, is ukraine the one that he won't let go of? >> look, i'm not sure that you're right saying that we took these countries. they rushed to nato because they had an experience, they have been occupied by soviet troops for more than four decades. it's a fear of russian invasion, and it is...
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the reality is nato doesn't really want the fight. they don't want ukraine joining nato because that would put the fight right on their doorstep and they would end up in a situation where they may end up infiltrate. >> good to see you. thank for the great explanation. we will need it and it will become important in the next few days. she's a reporter for "the new york times" and msnbc political analyst. >>> how they're essential protectioning democracy. do you know what's in them? next i'll break down both pieces of legislation and why you should care. of legislation and why you should care. ♪are you ready♪ ♪are you ready♪ i'm still drawn to what's next. even with higher stroke risk due to afib not caused by a heart valve problem. sbetter than warfarin. and has less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis has both. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve o
the reality is nato doesn't really want the fight. they don't want ukraine joining nato because that would put the fight right on their doorstep and they would end up in a situation where they may end up infiltrate. >> good to see you. thank for the great explanation. we will need it and it will become important in the next few days. she's a reporter for "the new york times" and msnbc political analyst. >>> how they're essential protectioning democracy. do you know...
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we are committed to our nato allies there. the united states is going to remain in europe at the invitation of our guests and our hosts there to ensure that we could meet our security commitments on the european continent. >> i imagine there is a whole lot going on there today. and i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. pentagon press secretary john kirby, thank you for starting us off this hour. we're grateful. >> my pleasure. >>> when we come back, much more on the standoff with russia over ukraine. our panel joins you with reaction and what russia may be planning and what vladimir putin may be thinking. and later the calls are growing to prosecute the fake electors who signed false documents in seven states declaring trump the victor, even though he was the loser and joe biden won and they knew it. the attorney general of one of those states will be our guest later in the hour. "deadline: white house" continues after a quick break. stay with us. continues after a quk icbreak. stay with us oh hey there! i'm just rea
we are committed to our nato allies there. the united states is going to remain in europe at the invitation of our guests and our hosts there to ensure that we could meet our security commitments on the european continent. >> i imagine there is a whole lot going on there today. and i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. pentagon press secretary john kirby, thank you for starting us off this hour. we're grateful. >> my pleasure. >>> when we come back, much more on...
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why don't you just say he wouldn't join nato? i talked to officials over the weekend and they won't touch that, at least not publicly. but the other question is, would it be enough? >> that's an interesting question that i don't have time to deal with here. >>> that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. >>> next week as the olympics get underway, i'm not going to jinx the bengals or the chiefs by saying go to either one of them. the bills and the packers are out. either way, enjoy today's games. if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." ♪♪ ♪ it's sunday, it's "meet the >>> president biden of says he plans to send troops to eastern europe. even as the president of ukraine plays down the threat of a russian invasion. the question is, how soon could american forces be deployed? >>> plus, a stunning admission from donald trump as he puts in writing that he wanted mike pence to quote overturn the election. the question is, are prosecutors listening? >>> and a surprising super bowl 56 is set. the cincinnati bengals versus
why don't you just say he wouldn't join nato? i talked to officials over the weekend and they won't touch that, at least not publicly. but the other question is, would it be enough? >> that's an interesting question that i don't have time to deal with here. >>> that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. >>> next week as the olympics get underway, i'm not going to jinx the bengals or the chiefs by saying go to either one of them. the bills and the packers are...
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giving up a lot of territory that it has taken, that nato has taken or countries that have become nato members near russia since 1997. and ukrainians believe that's an unrealistic demand. u.s. officials believe that's an unrealistic demand. they say they know that russia must realize that this is an unrealistic demand, so they worry if russia's making such a demand, perhaps it is creating a pretext for an invasion. a reason to say, well, it gave it a -- war is the only answer. >> to that end, we've been watching. the world has been watching this buildup of troops over months along the borders. is there a sense there that the talks now are potentially the beginning of the end, the culmination of those tensions before the next phase begins, whatever that may be? >> they don't know how imminent it is. the troops there, they're fairly cut off. there's little internet service. they don't have television. they're not really connected to the world. so i must say the troops in literally the trenches in very remote eastern ukraine are not following the ins and outs of the discussions. but they
giving up a lot of territory that it has taken, that nato has taken or countries that have become nato members near russia since 1997. and ukrainians believe that's an unrealistic demand. u.s. officials believe that's an unrealistic demand. they say they know that russia must realize that this is an unrealistic demand, so they worry if russia's making such a demand, perhaps it is creating a pretext for an invasion. a reason to say, well, it gave it a -- war is the only answer. >> to that...
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and nato allies about what to do in the event of a russian incursion. how damaging is that when the message that's being preached overseas at this moment by our secretary of state and others is that nato stands united? >> i will tell you and i think your audience knows, joe biden has been working as the former head of a foreign relations and as the former vice president and a senator in a world of leadership on foreign policy for years. i have witnessed him continuously engaged in direct and honest conversations with our partners and allies, and this is no exception. >> reporter: obviously very different when joe biden spoke as the head of the senate foreign relations committee than he is when he spoke as president, why you saw him using notes, andrea, when he was making comments today, so there would be total clarity on his position. >> you know, that's why it was so surprising, peter, and to all of you because he campaigned on, you know, experience and competence, and it was just so surprising on foreign policy of all things to see so many missteps la
and nato allies about what to do in the event of a russian incursion. how damaging is that when the message that's being preached overseas at this moment by our secretary of state and others is that nato stands united? >> i will tell you and i think your audience knows, joe biden has been working as the former head of a foreign relations and as the former vice president and a senator in a world of leadership on foreign policy for years. i have witnessed him continuously engaged in direct...
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nato expansion, there hasn't been a major wave of nato expansion since. there has not been any conversation about ukraine joining nato in any serious sense since. i served five year in the obama administration. i was in every meeting with the president, with putin and president -- at the time. never once did this issue come up. why is it coming up today? because putin is inventing. this as a reason to threaten ukraine. he is inventing this crisis about nato expansion. and therefore, i think it would be a catastrophic mistake. to react to invent a crisis that he has set up on the borders of ukraine. >> so on that note, and you mentioned the domestic politics in the u.s. let's talk about the domestic politics in russia. sometimes, we reduce countries to their leaders. especially countries we are post. but let's go beyond putin for a moment. among the russian people of a hole, is it not a general sentiment that nato and the west, needs to back off? isn't that a priority for russia as a whole not just for putin? >> it is today, it's a great question, but it h
nato expansion, there hasn't been a major wave of nato expansion since. there has not been any conversation about ukraine joining nato in any serious sense since. i served five year in the obama administration. i was in every meeting with the president, with putin and president -- at the time. never once did this issue come up. why is it coming up today? because putin is inventing. this as a reason to threaten ukraine. he is inventing this crisis about nato expansion. and therefore, i think it...
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nato allies in the region around ukraine. so these are troops that will, some of them already are on a short tether. they are on a short deployment schedule meaning that at any time they can be called up and say in a couple days you're going to be ready to go to x, y, or z -- >> i'm sorry. president biden is talking about ukraine right now. we'll be back in a moment. >> what's your message to the forces on high alert? >> the forces on high alert are part of a nato operation, not a sole u.s. operation and i made it clear to president putin we have a sacred obligation to our nato allies and if, in fact, he continued to build up and/or was to move we would be reinforcing those troops and i've spoken with every one of our nato allies in person -- not in person, virtually, and we're all on the same page. we have to make it clear that there's no reason for anyone, any member of nato, to worry whether or not we, nato, would come to their defense. >> and, mr. president -- >> thank you, guys. thank you, guys. >> may i ask you about wh
nato allies in the region around ukraine. so these are troops that will, some of them already are on a short tether. they are on a short deployment schedule meaning that at any time they can be called up and say in a couple days you're going to be ready to go to x, y, or z -- >> i'm sorry. president biden is talking about ukraine right now. we'll be back in a moment. >> what's your message to the forces on high alert? >> the forces on high alert are part of a nato operation,...
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they're deploying forces in nato, and as a matter of fact there are countries now seeking nato membership like sweden and finland. that just represents the very opposite of what putin is trying to accomplish. >> now, let me switch gears on you and ask you about north korea because kim jong-un has launched another missile, this one a ballistic missile, landed in the sea of japan, but i'm told by sources, credible sources and experts on this is the important thing about this missile is he is really gaining on achieving that hypersonic missile. this was mach 10, ten times the speed of sound. but most importantly the reentry vehicle was a maneuverable vehicle which moved laterally, which makes it harder to evade our missile defenses. as a former defense secretary and cia director you know far more about this than i could ever possibly, so give me your take on it. >> this is a dangerous step. kim jong-un if he develops a supersonic missile that can avoid our defense systems, that represents a real threat to the united states, to the region and for that matter to the world. we're dealing with a
they're deploying forces in nato, and as a matter of fact there are countries now seeking nato membership like sweden and finland. that just represents the very opposite of what putin is trying to accomplish. >> now, let me switch gears on you and ask you about north korea because kim jong-un has launched another missile, this one a ballistic missile, landed in the sea of japan, but i'm told by sources, credible sources and experts on this is the important thing about this missile is he...
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nato will do as it always has done, and second of all, as a message to nato allies themselves, that this is a time for nato to stand together and contribute to the nato response force and assure those allies, and particularly those that have a land border with russia. the three baltic states and poland in particular. this is both about a message to poland and an internal message to the alliance itself. >> ambassador lute and garry kasparov, thank you so much for being with me this morning. >> still ahead, dr. anthony fauci joins me with the latest covid developments. >>> and after a wild ride on wall street, margar markets are down again. down 680 points. stephanie ruhle and ron insana are here to break down what's behind all of this volatility. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." f this vol. you're watching "jose you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports. the journ. when the road is all you need, there is no destination. uh, i-i'm actually just going to get an iced coffee. well, she may have a destinatio this one time, but usually -- no, i-i usually have a destination. yeah
nato will do as it always has done, and second of all, as a message to nato allies themselves, that this is a time for nato to stand together and contribute to the nato response force and assure those allies, and particularly those that have a land border with russia. the three baltic states and poland in particular. this is both about a message to poland and an internal message to the alliance itself. >> ambassador lute and garry kasparov, thank you so much for being with me this...
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having a commitment to nato, to article 5 commitment to nato. so they would shore up some of the neighbors, some. people around ukraine. but what's significant here, garrett, is over the weekend at this briefing, at camp david, secretary austin and chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley, they presented options for what the u.s. military could do in advance of russia actually invading ukraine, and that again is not only is it an attempt at deterring putin from deciding to invade ukraine but it's a measure to reassure the defenses of some of the nato neighbors right around that area. what we're talking here is potentially several thousand ground troops that might move into those neighboring countries there's also a potential for some equipment, we may see bomber flights playing other the neighbors, a task force flying over some of those neighboring countries is a measure of deterrence against russia. but we may also see ship visits. it's worth pointing out there's this joint u.s.-nato exercise where we're seal them actually training to
having a commitment to nato, to article 5 commitment to nato. so they would shore up some of the neighbors, some. people around ukraine. but what's significant here, garrett, is over the weekend at this briefing, at camp david, secretary austin and chairman of the joint chiefs, general mark milley, they presented options for what the u.s. military could do in advance of russia actually invading ukraine, and that again is not only is it an attempt at deterring putin from deciding to invade...
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what we do know is that the president is committed to supporting nato and ukraine is not a part of nato. so a lot of the focus has been how do you support europe and the long alliance, the 30 nations that are involved in that, and so what we've seen the president do, he held the video conference with eight european officials, and that went about an hour and 20 minutes yesterday, and part of what they talked about are ways to reinforce security in europe. that is meant to be a deterrent to vladimir putin to see that if the member nations, including the united states, are prepared to plus up security forces in europe, not in ukraine, but in europe, that that would be a sign to putin of the seriousness of the nato alliance, and then how would that affect or help ukraine remains a question in the u.s. has trainers, military trainers, in ukraine, and, of course, we're added marines, additional marines to support our u.s. embassy in the capital city. that's standard around the world. marines always guard u.s. embassies. that's separate from any kind of typical military deployment, so there's
what we do know is that the president is committed to supporting nato and ukraine is not a part of nato. so a lot of the focus has been how do you support europe and the long alliance, the 30 nations that are involved in that, and so what we've seen the president do, he held the video conference with eight european officials, and that went about an hour and 20 minutes yesterday, and part of what they talked about are ways to reinforce security in europe. that is meant to be a deterrent to...
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but it's nato as it was in 1978, the countries that were nato members in 1978. and now let's see what they look like today. this is part of vladimir putin's argument that nato has come up against russia's borders. and as far as vladimir putin is concerned that weren't part of the deal. is there any legitimacy to that argument? >> no, i don't think there is. honestly, i don't. remember if you go back, if you can move your map back -- i love maps, by the way. >> we'll go back to the '78 map. yeah. >> there you go. you'll notice that's the former war saw pact. so nato was always on the borders of the warsaw pact alliance, the soviet alliance. the soviet union just collapsed, and all those countries in the middle, they were captive nations. they weren't allies of the soviet union. so when given the chance to choose, if you were hungary and you were invaded by the soviets in 1956 or you're czechoslovakia in '98 and you have a chance to enhance your security of course you'd want to join. and by the way, many of those countries that have joined have enhanced american n
but it's nato as it was in 1978, the countries that were nato members in 1978. and now let's see what they look like today. this is part of vladimir putin's argument that nato has come up against russia's borders. and as far as vladimir putin is concerned that weren't part of the deal. is there any legitimacy to that argument? >> no, i don't think there is. honestly, i don't. remember if you go back, if you can move your map back -- i love maps, by the way. >> we'll go back to the...
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obviously, president biden had that meeting with nato allies yesterday. he came out of it saying that it was a very, very good meeting and that nato allies and europe and the united states were totally united on moving -- how to move forward. but, look, there are divisions between europe and the united states on how to respond if putin does, indeed, invade ukraine again. and the white house is trying to figure out how to at least get everybody sort of mostly on the same page when it comes to that. look, steph, this has been a big frustration for president biden, that in terms of they're united and wanting to deter putin from taking further action and moving into ukraine, but if he does so, it's not clear exactly how everyone is going to come together and respond to that. >> political leaders are frustrated, things are getting more tense, people around the world are worried. but matt, yesterday you said thing were looking calm in ukraine. is anything changing? >> reporter: yeah, nothing has changed in terms of walking around and seeing people. it's still c
obviously, president biden had that meeting with nato allies yesterday. he came out of it saying that it was a very, very good meeting and that nato allies and europe and the united states were totally united on moving -- how to move forward. but, look, there are divisions between europe and the united states on how to respond if putin does, indeed, invade ukraine again. and the white house is trying to figure out how to at least get everybody sort of mostly on the same page when it comes to...
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is having with our nato allies. what can you tell us about the options being discussed and perhaps even in motion with our nato partners? >> reporter: well, there is discussion of course about increasing flights of military, more planes, sending ships closer to region. what's really remarkable this, craig, is vladimir putin has managed to accomplish exactly what he said he didn't want to happen. his goal here, at least so he says, is to get nato out of the back yard of russia. instead because of his provocative actions and threats against ukraine, it's the exact opposite happening nato is moving closer and more in force toward the russian part of europe. these are not troops of course that are planning to go to war with russia. they're to reassure poland and the baltic states, our nato allies, that we are with them, the united states and the west and nato does take its article 5 to mutual defense seriously. it doesn't mean these troops will be fighting in ukraine. it doesn't mean that nato and the united states aren
is having with our nato allies. what can you tell us about the options being discussed and perhaps even in motion with our nato partners? >> reporter: well, there is discussion of course about increasing flights of military, more planes, sending ships closer to region. what's really remarkable this, craig, is vladimir putin has managed to accomplish exactly what he said he didn't want to happen. his goal here, at least so he says, is to get nato out of the back yard of russia. instead...
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or nato caves in and gives him the reassurances he has demanded. i don't think that's going to happen. so we're in a period of complexity and great danger. >> richard engel, remarks like this whenever you see top military leaders speaking like this, there's a domestic audience but probably a big foreign audience too. how would these remarks be received in ukraine and potentially in russia? >> reporter: so as general mccaffrey said, it is very complex right now. and president zelensky, who was an actor before he got this job, he was a comedian and he became famous playing a president on television. now he's trying to play it cool. he was on the stage today briefing foreign reporters. he has not been speaking publicly very often over the last several days. he was trying to show his best poker face, that he's not rattled, that his country is not fazed in any way. he accused the west, accused the united states, accused nato of sowing panic. he said it was wrong that the united states ordered the evacuation and other governments ordered the evacuation o
or nato caves in and gives him the reassurances he has demanded. i don't think that's going to happen. so we're in a period of complexity and great danger. >> richard engel, remarks like this whenever you see top military leaders speaking like this, there's a domestic audience but probably a big foreign audience too. how would these remarks be received in ukraine and potentially in russia? >> reporter: so as general mccaffrey said, it is very complex right now. and president...
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completely pull back and bar ukraine from ever becoming part of nato. so where do you see some path for diplomacy? >> well, andrea, the reality is that the only way out remains a shift in the diplomatic conversations from exchange from nato and the open door policy to more specific discussions about the contested areas in eastern ukraine where russian separatists have been active, to questions around european security writ large, whether there can be greater transparency, greater arms control reduced to the tensions between the united states and nato and russia. thus far we have seen little interest from the russian side in that kind of diplomacy. today, look, it's not new, andrea, and i was struck in the later obama years when russia shifted to a posture at the u.n. being totally comfortable outright lying, shifting the conversation to what aboutism that they blame all the problems on the united states. that's a diplomatic attack they used to prop began diaz at home, and to appeal at home, and to a global audience, the information the united states and
completely pull back and bar ukraine from ever becoming part of nato. so where do you see some path for diplomacy? >> well, andrea, the reality is that the only way out remains a shift in the diplomatic conversations from exchange from nato and the open door policy to more specific discussions about the contested areas in eastern ukraine where russian separatists have been active, to questions around european security writ large, whether there can be greater transparency, greater arms...
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one with nato and one with the united states. they unilaterally wrote them and then basically said to washington and brussels, now you just have to sign the treaty we wrote. there's lots of things that there's no way president biden could or should agree to including some type of freeze on nato expansion. that said, it's better to talk than to go to war. and that there are these three rounds of talks coming up in mid-january. it gives us a chance to figure out, does putin really want to talk about europe security or is this all just an ultimatum and a preamble for the military intervention that, obviously, he has planned for on the ukrainian border? >> so here is the interpretation of some of this communication. this comes from an aide to president biden -- rather president putin who told nbc that biden's threats of large-scale, unprecedented sanctions could lead to a complete rupture of relations between the two countries and that new sanctions would be a mistake. president putin requested his call with president biden. so how d
one with nato and one with the united states. they unilaterally wrote them and then basically said to washington and brussels, now you just have to sign the treaty we wrote. there's lots of things that there's no way president biden could or should agree to including some type of freeze on nato expansion. that said, it's better to talk than to go to war. and that there are these three rounds of talks coming up in mid-january. it gives us a chance to figure out, does putin really want to talk...
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that's a very hard line to ride and one that we know to be unpalatable to the united states, to nato or is this just a very strong bargaining position, can the united states, for example, today offer something that russia might go for? one of the things that might be on the table is some kind of return to the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty that the trump administration withdrew from. we know that's something russia would probably love to see. they have said specifically they want to talk about american missile placements, nato missile placements in eastern europe, but everything else doesn't appear to actually be on the table in the united states's mind and the big question is can russia actually give anything at this point that will disarm the crisis or are we going to see talks break down later today? >> that's talk more about the bargaining chips because president biden was just talking about the threat to democracy here in the u.s. and here he is dealing with it on a global stage overseas. what can they actually do to get putin to back off because just having these talk
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test the united states and nato? as significantly as you can, yes, i think he will. >> biden added that putin would regret such a move. and -- michael mcfaul was gonna join us on the russian threat. meanwhile, the supreme court handed a major blow to president trump, in the january six information got a good break. they blocked trump's request to block the release of trump's records inserting the capitol -- riot they called it a victory for the growl of law and for democracy. earlier tonight, they confirmed that some of the material that trump wanted hidden, has already been released. >> some of the material has already been received at the committee. i think it's very important that this material will start pouring very soon. documents, videos, notes, logs, etc. we'll be getting the visitors logs, the call logs, the outtakes for the videos that he made as people were trying to talk him into asking the mob to leave the capitol. and will get the picture of what happened leading up to the riot and on the day of the rio
test the united states and nato? as significantly as you can, yes, i think he will. >> biden added that putin would regret such a move. and -- michael mcfaul was gonna join us on the russian threat. meanwhile, the supreme court handed a major blow to president trump, in the january six information got a good break. they blocked trump's request to block the release of trump's records inserting the capitol -- riot they called it a victory for the growl of law and for democracy. earlier...
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more nato forces are moving into eastern europe. we're waiting and not clear what they'll do when they get that letter. >> how are they responding to the fact that finland has shown some openness to wanting to join nato. i half joke that that ought to be the response of the european allies. okay. we'll game the process with finland and see how he reacts. is he aware that he may have helped nato, the way he's gone about this? >> reporter: it's definitely one of the most ironic parts of all of this. basically russia has fallen into this standard play. the talking point is set at the top. everyone down below has to go out and keep repeating the message. stay on message, keep hitting the message. this is all in their minds, what they're telling the russian public. this is all western provocation. everything going on now is all part of a grand u.s. conspiracy against russia. probably finland and sweden, if they joined nato, it would be explained to the russian people in the same way. russia has a bias as it approaches the situation. it s
more nato forces are moving into eastern europe. we're waiting and not clear what they'll do when they get that letter. >> how are they responding to the fact that finland has shown some openness to wanting to join nato. i half joke that that ought to be the response of the european allies. okay. we'll game the process with finland and see how he reacts. is he aware that he may have helped nato, the way he's gone about this? >> reporter: it's definitely one of the most ironic parts...
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willie geist, i bring up nato. ukraine may not be a part of nato, but one of the conditions that russia wants is to prevent ukraine from ever being a part of nato. they don't meet the requirements just yet, but i would think that many in nato and in the diplomatic community would say russia should not have that say. and if ukraine does meet the requirements, should be allowed to join nato, and that russia, trying to sort of assert its power on that level, brings nato into this. >> yeah, that's one of the central demands russia has of the west in all this, to keep ukraine out of nato. elise jordan, the president, as we heard a minute ago, said there will be no american troops on the ground in ukraine. he put 8,500 troops on heightened alert. there's talk of sanctions. what those are exactly is unclear. there are senators, not just republicans, by the way, saying, you have to put the sanctions in place now, not after putin goes in. you have to use those as real deterrents. what is your sense of the way the president
willie geist, i bring up nato. ukraine may not be a part of nato, but one of the conditions that russia wants is to prevent ukraine from ever being a part of nato. they don't meet the requirements just yet, but i would think that many in nato and in the diplomatic community would say russia should not have that say. and if ukraine does meet the requirements, should be allowed to join nato, and that russia, trying to sort of assert its power on that level, brings nato into this. >> yeah,...
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and there was discussion about limits on where nato would go. and they were talking about mainly the eastern part of georgia. the idea whether nato troops would be allowed in the eastern territory of a re-unified germany. and the what the russians have done since then is, you said, well, not one inch eastward, during those conversations. and therefore, that meant, you have foresworn the idea of nato expansion for the rest of time. now, that's not actually what happened. the final treaty unifying germany did not bar nato from expanding. it did say there was some limits on the territory of eastern germany in terms of foreign troops, but the russians have gone ahead and said, basically, there was some sort of an agreement back then that's been broken and it justifies what they're doing today, 30 years later. >> i guess it's that selective memory that you use. i mean, this isn't pots dam, right, this isn't yalta, but you can choose to pick moments from those meetings to bring it to 2022. peter, what options does the biden administration have or even
and there was discussion about limits on where nato would go. and they were talking about mainly the eastern part of georgia. the idea whether nato troops would be allowed in the eastern territory of a re-unified germany. and the what the russians have done since then is, you said, well, not one inch eastward, during those conversations. and therefore, that meant, you have foresworn the idea of nato expansion for the rest of time. now, that's not actually what happened. the final treaty...
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and nato countries. so president zelensky was not just telling russia to back off but telling the west to back off. he had words for the western press, saying i know my country better and i know this situation better than foreign diplomats and foreign agencies and politicians, and he was saying over and over and over again in response to what were variations of the same question from the western media, which is how can you be so relaxed with such a large army surrounding your country? he said, you know, we have been at war for the past eight years and this is not new. >> he doesn't want a self fulfilling prophecy either. we are looking at the disconnect between what the u.s. is saying and the west is saying and mostly the u.s., because there's wiggle room with what france is saying, and what the president of ukraine is currently saying and how ukrainians are acting at the capitol, so how do you account for that? >> well, zelensky is the one that can offer a reduction in nato integration. the united state
and nato countries. so president zelensky was not just telling russia to back off but telling the west to back off. he had words for the western press, saying i know my country better and i know this situation better than foreign diplomats and foreign agencies and politicians, and he was saying over and over and over again in response to what were variations of the same question from the western media, which is how can you be so relaxed with such a large army surrounding your country? he said,...
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won't give us what we want, and nato intends to expand. so the u.s., russia, it seems, by demanding written responses is trying to box the u.s. in, and it's actually quite a smart diplomatic move. now, the u.s. has promised to give russia some sort of written answers whether it just cut and pastes previous foreign policy statements, and previous u.s. positions, and hands them over to russia or it crafts new policy is something that i think certainly here in ukraine they're going to be watching very very closely. >> richard, thanks as always for your reporting. we'll stay in close touch with you. nbc's richard engel is in ukraine. >>> president biden says russia is going to pay a heavy price if it invades ukraine. biden needs to look no further than his former boss, putin doesn't respond to threats. we'll dive more into this intense situation after the break. more into this intense situation after the break. once upon a time, at the magical everly estate, landscaper larry and his trusty crew... were delayed when the new kid totaled his truc
won't give us what we want, and nato intends to expand. so the u.s., russia, it seems, by demanding written responses is trying to box the u.s. in, and it's actually quite a smart diplomatic move. now, the u.s. has promised to give russia some sort of written answers whether it just cut and pastes previous foreign policy statements, and previous u.s. positions, and hands them over to russia or it crafts new policy is something that i think certainly here in ukraine they're going to be watching...
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russia was asking, because it was citing security concerns that nato not expand ever into ukraine or georgia or any other countries near the russian border, and in fact, nato contract and move away from the border in order to make russia feel more secure and to address its security concerns, and secretary of state blinken said that nato retains an open door policy, meaning it's not ruling out anybody's membership and you only really have to hear that to know this is not acceptable to russia. many western officials have said that russia's demands were so expansionist, so over the top that these written responses were perhaps even a trap to get the united states to commit on paper to rejecting russia's demands so vladimir putin can go to his people, the public and say here it is in writing, the united states and nato aren't taking our security concerns seriously. therefore, we need to act. now the world is watching. what will happen? will vladimir putin enter the country? will he make good on the threat that he is clearly presenting by putting so many troops around the border? nato is
russia was asking, because it was citing security concerns that nato not expand ever into ukraine or georgia or any other countries near the russian border, and in fact, nato contract and move away from the border in order to make russia feel more secure and to address its security concerns, and secretary of state blinken said that nato retains an open door policy, meaning it's not ruling out anybody's membership and you only really have to hear that to know this is not acceptable to russia....
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if we put up a map of what nato looked like in 1978 compared to what nato looks like today, it's very, very different. the change has been massive. does your average russian citizen have reason to be concerned? are they concerned? >> well, they weren't -- it doesn't even have to be '78. it can be '97 which putin says we want to go back to, 1997. but russians are concerned, and i think the more the united states has this kind of rather non-diplomatic rhetoric coming from the diplomats, the more russians are convinced that they are in fact being threatened. all of this is a pretense to undermine russia once again, that language, we want to be a strong and powerful country. and that actually excuses in many ways for the russians, putin's buildup on the border. i don't believe he is going to invade ukraine actually. i like your headline, you know, how to avoid the war. i think one of the ways to avoid the war is not to talk about the war as if it's already happened. so i don't think he will, but i think the level of animosity, even if it comes down soon enough or not soon enough, the leve
if we put up a map of what nato looked like in 1978 compared to what nato looks like today, it's very, very different. the change has been massive. does your average russian citizen have reason to be concerned? are they concerned? >> well, they weren't -- it doesn't even have to be '78. it can be '97 which putin says we want to go back to, 1997. but russians are concerned, and i think the more the united states has this kind of rather non-diplomatic rhetoric coming from the diplomats, the...
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there is no plan to bring ukraine in to nato, this is really about the procedures of nato, we don't want to be dictated on who gets to join and who does not. there is no plans for any earlier or maybe ever admission of ukraine and nato, that's understood for many years. i think the russians are pushing for guarantees here. you don't rule out in the formal legal binding of who gets to join and who does not. i was reminded of this. i was reading a book, father of mika wrote back in 2008. i was the moderator in this book. the ukrainians are the only ones who should decide their future and not their -- the russians. brzezinski had no hesitation saying what sullivan is saying and the attempt to dictate nato by force is not going to fail. i must say there are a lot of criticisms you can make about biden's foreign policy but on this one he did a good job of organizing the european allies around the u.s. position. we'll see it the rest of the week as the russians meet with nato on wednesday and meet with the broader european group on thursday. we'll stay tune but biden held his alliance together
there is no plan to bring ukraine in to nato, this is really about the procedures of nato, we don't want to be dictated on who gets to join and who does not. there is no plans for any earlier or maybe ever admission of ukraine and nato, that's understood for many years. i think the russians are pushing for guarantees here. you don't rule out in the formal legal binding of who gets to join and who does not. i was reminded of this. i was reading a book, father of mika wrote back in 2008. i was...
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the fact of nato being in former soviet republics like the baltic states, the fact of there being a nato troop presence on the ground. russia knows these are not things that the u.s. can negotiate without changing the fundamental nature of nato. at the same time, when he puts out things like not wanting nuclear weapons on his borders, you know, you have the opening to have a negotiation around something that you're not doing as something of an off-ramp for putin to say that he secured assurances around russian security. i think what's so difficult is the russian actions have been consistently problematic, amaszing of troops on the border. the making of demands that you know won't be met which could be a pretext for a potential invasion. that's why you have the biden team skipping ahead to the consequences. they're basically saying these won't just be sanctions. we can put on the table expor. you say that you don't want nato on your borders. if you go further in ukraine, you're going to guaranteed nato presence along those borders. this is the kind of difficult game of diplomacy, as you k
the fact of nato being in former soviet republics like the baltic states, the fact of there being a nato troop presence on the ground. russia knows these are not things that the u.s. can negotiate without changing the fundamental nature of nato. at the same time, when he puts out things like not wanting nuclear weapons on his borders, you know, you have the opening to have a negotiation around something that you're not doing as something of an off-ramp for putin to say that he secured...
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ukraine is not in nato. it's been neutral since it became independent from the soviet union in 1981. it thinks of its country that wants peace. it's formally aligned with nobody. russian president has created a sense in ukraine for a desire to be in nato, because the ukrainians like everybody else in the region can see, i you're in nato, you're safer. you're safer from the rupgs aggression. we're in a strange position whereby whereby everybody keeps say, why does everybody keep joining nato. because everybody's afraid of russia. ukraine is consolidating now into a kind of, i wouldn't say anti-russian, but a national position where they talk about russia as an enemy, which was really not true ever before in ukrainian history, the activities of putin have forced ukraine into a more desire to be part of the west for the sake of peace and prosperity. >> anne, thank you for your insights. i recommend that people read your works on this because you have remarkable firsthand insight on how things have gone in easte
ukraine is not in nato. it's been neutral since it became independent from the soviet union in 1981. it thinks of its country that wants peace. it's formally aligned with nobody. russian president has created a sense in ukraine for a desire to be in nato, because the ukrainians like everybody else in the region can see, i you're in nato, you're safer. you're safer from the rupgs aggression. we're in a strange position whereby whereby everybody keeps say, why does everybody keep joining nato....
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i have spoken to every major nato leader. we have had the nato/russian summit. the osce has met, et cetera. so i think what you are going to see is that russia will be held accountable. it depends what it does. one thing if it is a minor incursion and we end up fighting about what we have to do or not do, et cetera. but if they do what they are capable of doing with the forces amassed on the or der it is going to be a disaster for russia if they further invade ukraine. and then our allies and partners are ready to impose severe cost and significant harmon russia and the russian economy. and, you know, we are going to fortify our nato allies. i told them on the eastern flank if in fact he does invade we are going to -- i have already shipds over $600 million worth of sophisticated equipment, defensive equipment, to the ukrainians. the costs of going into ukraine in terms of physical loss of life for the russians -- they will be able to prevail over time, but it is going to be heavy. it is going to be real. it is going to be consequential. in addition to that puti
i have spoken to every major nato leader. we have had the nato/russian summit. the osce has met, et cetera. so i think what you are going to see is that russia will be held accountable. it depends what it does. one thing if it is a minor incursion and we end up fighting about what we have to do or not do, et cetera. but if they do what they are capable of doing with the forces amassed on the or der it is going to be a disaster for russia if they further invade ukraine. and then our allies and...